Some of them act, uh, like they believe that these children love them and that they love these children, and that this, uh, this conduct is an appropriate expression of those feelings. So I think that in those, in many of those cases, uh, with, uh, pedophiles and true pedophiles, I think they just.. they flat-out think it shouldn't be against the law, and they think there's something wrong with us for criticizing them. Um, I... I think that that, I mean that's the current status of a lot of literature. I tend to think, though, from watching myself prostitute, that they know it's wrong. They know that there's something wrong seriously wrong with them, that they would have this desire for children, and if they don't- and they know that it hurts those kids, and it affects those kids for a lot of the rest of their life, and they know it and they don't care.