MY EXPERT OPINION EP #163: CANIBUS INTERVIEW (PT2)

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sometimes I gotta be as plain as

possible so people just

gravitates I know you different from the

artist I'm gonna say his name I know

you're different from that artist but

The Duality you talking about I'm like

Yay right

yay producer also rap we know that the

Beats is a certain way and then what do

you say rhyme-wise it's kind of like you

know what I mean like you understand

them first when he in that zone but then

he got me and Jay-Z producer did the

beach and then this billionaire

croissant and then trying to do the

politics thing and then there's a lot of

[ __ ] going yeah that's a lot that's a

lot going on but but it's all part of

him so it's like yeah but hold on but

but now you like you were saying and

orange so when it comes time to make

that album

which one are you going to be or you're

going to be all of them it starts to get

crazy can't help but be all of them

whether you're going to be on your new

music I'm curious I want to know me me

I'm always successful yeah the answer is

I'm gonna be the guy that knows a lot

more than the guy that you met yeah the

right thing and all on your team the

right people on your team at that time

when you were 19 years old it's more

that goes into it than just picking

beats first of all they have to

establish a level of trust with you

whereas a 19 year old is going to look

at you and go

what you tell me to do

I'm gonna trust you and do that right

and that that's that's the start because

otherwise I'm gonna do what I want to do

that's the artist's attitude I'm gonna

do what I want to do the [ __ ] are you

talking about you don't know me you

don't know nothing I'm gonna do what I

want to do all right okay

they can't work with this kid I can't

work with them you gotta let him do what

he's gonna and he's gonna fall in his

face a bunch of times you just gotta

hope that one time when he fall into

place you don't do too much of them you

don't break his nose into his brain

maybe he just lose a couple people he'll

come back that's a bad artist like me I

didn't do that I went to Rock Gym crib

five times five days in a row before he

would even do the record with me first

two days he didn't talk to me I didn't

say you were satin corner like this man

roll this blunt from this rock it's

always one badge to him back then maybe

the third day they passed the one to me

right so I already knew how to behave

around my elders man stuff you talking

about I don't really know

why artists would do that he's just

running into a brick wall man you're

gonna kill yourself I'm taking examples

from your story so yeah so to try to be

successful and when it came time to like

rock him to do the record they would say

hey my deep my aunt all kept asking

because nobody was allowed to go and

send me

Dino was like yo how much do I want for

the track I said I don't know every day

he asked me I don't know I don't know he

said he'll ask him I asked him wow

so he said so he said man just ask him

so I never did

Dino had to go ask him where I said yo

talk to Bert so Bert is 112 with a

pledge

everybody right so so verse said eight

right

came back said he won eight I went to

Eloise Brian Brian University told

Eloise to cut Rod check for 13.

I'm saying that's on my heartbeat why

because I really did like love rise or

Lyricist if he wanted eight eight to

take care of some [ __ ] to get straight

to 13 so do what you want to do that was

my I had a budget that was my way you

know what I'm saying and I did that with

all G Rap all of the [ __ ] I loved I

really like came out the pocket to deal

with it especially when I had a budget I

was Reckless with the budget because

that was one minute showing that yo

there's no lip service I really like I

really look up to you without having to

say that more than once or twice right

right so being the being successful part

I get it it's just that line of The

Duality what you're talking about where

you wanna that's why I was saying to you

like I really do want to be a part of

something where not like the carers want

y'all to build the nation the hip-hop or

the temple hip-hop and never get built

something that like this is a landmark

y'all should know that this is a

landmark and and and you you do gotta

like have a like a timeout like the ivy

people have a time-out zone or safe

space right for for our folks because

they get jammed up man where it's like

yo

they gotta Flex with the runs we chose

bigger than that dude yeah it's not

about no Rhymes you probably one of the

only ones that made it through the

battle circuit to this name another one

it ain't happened

names is different

I look at names he's got on because what

he did and what have you struggle but

remember that whole the Everlast the

Vinnie past the Ill Bill they kind of

get like a pass to you know go they can

go overseas and get with a DJ scribble

or go do a tour for years and come back

with bread and then they have to jump

rope the way that we did right so it's

necessary to create that kind of safe

space because we don't really have

a fallback or a safety net and a lot of

people all [ __ ] do got is rap

no I mean I'm a captain you know what I

mean I can capture My Yacht and pull up

to that [ __ ] I'm not I'm just I'm

telling you that's the reality right I

could literally pull up [ __ ] gonna be

with their phones like yo

who's that that's cannabis and I can

pull up and play second round just

ignorant [ __ ] right I'm not gonna do

that but I can't do it though man but I

would have done it without anybody help

see that's the difference between like

what I went through God was really on my

back I'm learning lessons and things

that I had to go through right but I'm

trying to give back too it's just

difficult for me to give back without

the co-sign because then it looks like

oh you just trying to sell records or

you just trying to I don't know clean it

up or so the code sign is important I

don't feel like you need a co-sign I

feel like

is more of

you just need

an area of no conflict

you think what I'm saying and in the

same way that you looked at the life

after death cover and you was like y'all

know if you're gonna make it

listening to your Rhymes you had to know

I don't know if people are gonna like

really [ __ ] with me because I'm

basically [ __ ] on everybody on a

record you think what I'm saying I'm

putting off this Persona like I'm better

than you the reason I said the wrong the

greatest rapper of all time down on

March 9th I didn't say it because I was

trying to capture a moment that [ __ ] I

would have been crazy to say for that

reason I appreciate thank you for that

line by the way I said it because I was

in 10 dog Patterson's office

went Park when he called Puff on the

jack on the Star Tech razor jump and

puff answered the phone he was on the

speed boat and hypnotized it was on the

speedboat I heard the helicopter he said

yo baby I can't hear you talk up he was

on a speedboat and he was like yo man we

too said we puffles Sykes man he was

happy he's like yo man yesterday I was

driving backwards in the drop e [ __ ]

wait till you see it I'll do 80 miles an

hour he was hyped right and he said yo

homie I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you

the footage so

I said and this is on my heartbeat

apartment for you I said

I said

that's what I said to dog now remember

I'm just intern a man is Lost Boys

co-man is lost but I'm an intern dog

really listened to me he took the phone

tell him to come home

because it was hot at that time right

for him out there in L.A right and I see

a little time to come obviously yeah so

Daddy so look so we try to y'all got

like what one more day to shot it's a

rapper said nah we got two more days in

the shot just Puffs in so he said all

right so look so after that y'all

wrapping up coming up after three days

he said nah [ __ ] we out here for two

weeks

so then dog was like two weeks it's like

yeah we got Awards and [ __ ] to go

through all that I'm sitting in the room

yeah me man I'm looking at them old ass

phones with the intercom [ __ ] right puff

used to throw a lot of those against the

wall you know saying so the temp dog

[ __ ] get angry right and I said I said

yo

so I stopped saying anything

I wasn't saying that no more like a week

later a couple days later what happened

happened

I said it because of that that's why I

wrote that line because it was just so

close to home

you know a woman you're on the speedboat

and you in LA and everything's good and

then the next minute you know what I

mean the whole world is going crazy

because you know what I mean it's like

over he had to pop

so I saw how it goes too far right and

it'll be brothers into being like

I'm one of them [ __ ] I'm still that

guy right tell him to come home man tell

him to go ahead and fix that up you know

and smooth that out fix it up you know

what I mean and I know that there's

there's there's things that is trying to

prevent Brothers like me like how you

got to this you got to this first down

touchdown really Super Bowl kind of

thing from from from being that that

different Wing it's an option it's an

exit on the highway that [ __ ] get on

the highway and can't get off you gotta

provide that for them

yeah you gotta provide it for them a

little time out for roadside assistance

yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I

ain't gonna deviate no more but yeah

well I gotta I wanted to talk to you

about something

that after you know smoke cleared

I can see how

the industry and the experience that you

had in it

was really conflicted

how did you get to the point where you

said

I'm going to join the Army

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um

2001.

the towers happened

changed New York forever yeah

even though

everybody

that listen to rap music who's able to

escape the reality of what happened in

New York and what how it was going to

change both the USA and the world

was able to escape through rap some

people probably don't even remember

you know the towers and how that changed

America and the rest of the world

forever because they were busy doing

something else rap music was one of

those you know distractions

I was in the in a situation where

you know I had to be kind of serious

because I used to live right over there

across the across the water Jersey City

the place called Avalon Cove

65 55 Avalon Cove not too far from

Newport Mall

in the gym over there in the treadmill

not like I needed the cardio but I go in

there because I was paying like 3 400 a

month and I was I figured why not if we

go in the gyms think up the equipment

for a little while right when I used to

jog I was looking at Windows of the

world the towers

you know what I mean so and I I did for

the Spin Magazine I took a shot where I

flew around they took the door off West

Side Highway that little helicopter

joint I had to take the door but they

took the door off and I was hanging out

the [ __ ] Chopper in front of

the towers so I took all that serious

and in my mind I was thinking to myself

you know what

I need to do something else before I get

too old

I at that time I thought that this rap

thing the issues with the institutions

was never going to go away it was so

heavy I was like you know what I'm still

young enough I can still Sprint I can

still you know what I can still get busy

a little bit like physically and what

have you so I said man I'm gonna I'm

gonna go ahead and take this little

ASVAB test you know and I want to fly

Jets I was so serious about it I went to

Westchester New York Westchester Yonkers

men to go get laser surgery for six

bands you know I mean three bands I I

was so serious right about a second

best doctor in the world he had the

steadiest hands in the world eye doctor

cut the corneal flap over peel it back

you know you take a little eyeball

pretty ass nurses rubbing this nicotine

or something

numb it right and then they take the

clip and they pull the eyeball out and

then they take the laser things

and you can smell the Flesh of your

eyeball burning

it's all burnt the cones and I could see

I could jet ski without glasses do

whatever you know salt water jet ski

into Miami I could do all the contacts I

could do all that right because those

are clear friends yeah right did that to

go to the service

come to find out 27 28 is the cutoff

date for you know any type of jet flying

any Jet flight school all that right so

then I was stuck with so then at that

point I'd done all that work and [ __ ] on

myself I'm like I'm going somewhere

anyway right I would have went to

Ukraine back there right you know I was

trying to get away and go do something

else to Define myself to myself right

and so

I did I followed all the way through

with it

I was a striker driver you know what I

mean

um troop transport you know used to

carry Marines we used to you know a big

man Drop Striker is a eight wheel

vehicle 40 tons it's got eight wheels

four on that side rabbit mold Turtle

mold you know what I mean cheap

transports live 25 like a serious piece

of equipment right I'm probably the only

one in the room that could drive it yeah

except for my man over here that's a

decent and then Cali Rex like you drive

everyone Abrams right so this is

something that like we can do

if something happened right now it's

enough people in here to Fitness Striker

I know how to get in there drop the ramp

you know what I'm saying y'all jump in

there right you understand

rap to me was something that I knew that

if I didn't get away from it and do

something else I'd have been stuck with

that forever so I tried to do something

else right and I did and you did right

were there any experiences over there

that you remember that made you feel

like this this is why this was worth it

now over there meeting over in

Afghanistan or Iraq I didn't go

I trained with my troop

Pat Tillman Patrick Tillman I don't know

if anybody remembers him you know he was

a ranger we used to PT on the same field

in Tacoma Washington and Pat Tillman

like you know died you know by fracture

side I mean it was a big thing for us

there at the I mean I know that

everybody in this room don't necessarily

couldn't maybe wrap their mind around

how serious that was but if you look it

up on the internet you'll still see you

know crumbs and threads about it and it

was so Pat Tillman played for the

Patriots he was he was and he gave all

that up

basically he did what I did yeah

like exponential though it was

exponential he had he was a millionaire

he had the H2 Hummer you know what I

mean it was crazy but he went into the

Marines no he went into the Rangers yeah

on the first you know what I mean he was

there like we used to PT on the same

field I see him coming in and out of

Madigan gate at um

you know Fort Lewis

he had a H2 and for some reason

I had a I had a 67-68 Camaro it was

yellow with black Racing Stripes like

bumblebee you know what I'm saying you

know I got that

um

I got that because you know when you're

speeding and you're in a foreign you

know these Ivory boys not letting you go

when you got an American Muscle to say

hey son you know how fast you was going

son officer I apologize I just got out

the shop what you got under the hood you

know what I mean it's American right

right I'm giving that away you know

because it's true yeah you know you slow

down there son all right yes yes our

officer you know what I mean get my ID

and stuff so every single time going in

an automatic again

gentleman would see me and wave at me

because everybody wanted to know what

was under the hood it was a lt198 vet

engine in a 67-68 Camaro I used to spank

the Subarus all that it was a

seven-speed Richmond transmission

Five Point roll cage Five Point seat

belt harness stainless steel fuel cell

no AC just heat you know what I mean the

car was [ __ ] man shout out to David

curvature so

50. I was a good soldier man I was the

nastiest Striker driver like out so I

major always wanted to ride with me

because our major when I got to the

troop and I seen his picture on the wall

because when you get to your barracks

got president's picture vice president

you know I'm saying uh Secretary of

Defense you know you have all right and

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um

some major pictures up there and uh he

looked like 50 man you look like 50

cents right look like Curtis Jackson

look like 50. and from that all the

brothers would be like yo 50 coming you

know what I mean so it's like the Army

the Army was

the Army is a complicated thing to

different Generations the armed services

is complicated for different Generations

but my time in the army in spite of the

fallen and what happened to America in

the world like how things turned out

um in spite of that I had a good time

there was a lot of great relationships

shout out to DJ Porter rock you know

what I'm saying Pablo Cruise when I

showed up to my Barracks he was playing

Wu-Tang man I was kind of nervous even

showing up there and when I heard hey

you you know Minecraft you don't know me

and I heard the Russian you know what

I'm saying yo apologize

you know what I mean protecting like I

heard that coming out the barracks

window it totally broke that it's like

when she said ah yeah you know yeah but

the Tillman thing I ain't gonna front

man no chasing man when that happened to

Tillman somebody

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friendly party

yeah and um you know I remember I

remember

uh one one time when we were coming back

from from a job you know 1K job we're

coming back and uh it was a gate out the

backs where they used to PT in the pool

and he was going down they were all

going down but it was Tillman's turn and

he went down into the pool and um there

were scubas in the pool maybe about

three scoopers already in the pool and

so

you know he went down there he was down

there about a minute and a half right

maybe two minutes then he started coming

up because this is the drill so we stand

by the gate looking so then he's coming

up when he comes up or trying to come up

they grab him

and he can't come up and so he thinks

they're playing and stuff you know it

feels like somebody playing you know so

he like stopped playing a little bit of

wiggling you see get more intense he's

running out of air

then you just see he started throwing

scoopers out the pool this is from

underwater you know what I mean scuba

guys get thrown out of the pool so then

two more scoopers jump in and then and

then they trying to hold then another

two scoopers jumping it took about six

scubas

hold them down and take them to the

bottom he took them to the bottom all

bubbles

then he pulled him right back up and

then brought him back right when he got

up he started body slamming him right he

spit out the water he got to be so body

slamming stuff and then colonel colonel

walls over and like you know

right to the chest

you you [ __ ] raise your what

gentlemen see your surgery did act like

one right when he moved his hand he had

his ranger tabs

so you know I saw that on my own too she

said now you know what it feels like to

drown

Brothers will bring you back if they can

that kind of movie [ __ ] you know what

I'm saying like but I just look at that

and I'm seeing that's at that moment I

was saying what the [ __ ] am I doing here

really though wow

military

yeah yo Talib kwali got a show right

shout out to Talib Talib made a verse

saying something crazy about cannabis

joining the Army right I could say this

with a smile because I love Tyler we

talked about it he was very honest and

he just kept it above it was like okay

because I didn't know right but at that

time

I was in formation

so I made you the same one 50 hardcore

you do not want to play with 50. right

M7 Gucci seats interior you know what

I'm saying spit shine boots you did not

go to you did not want to play with 50

right right so now

the song I didn't even know it came out

right I'm in formation

so I made the screams out there out

today

Williams get the [ __ ] in here

all right in front of everybody

as I run in there

double time in there

you know stay in that formation so he

says

sit down

you know what I mean that first of all

says no I want him standing

so so now I stand [ __ ] did I tell you to

get that rest Eddie's go back to

formation right right so then he goes

goes over to the record player on the TV

versus play on his own and then he says

you know they I don't know if Madison

has cannabis manager you know I want to

join the arm yeah and was management I

don't know what the [ __ ] that [ __ ] was

that I heard yeah but he said who the

[ __ ] is Taliban quality

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does that sound like I made that up

I hope so

at that moment I realized that

I abandoned hip-hop

but not that's our wrong reasons but

that's how we felt but when he said that

I realized I also realized that

even then I just needed a hug and he was

talking about something that we all got

somebody in the service right right that

I just related to us that lives in the

home with us right or you know

that we you know children we sent off

right but it's so it the odd the culture

Black Culture in America is so immersed

in service Armed Forces service right

that is no you cannot get it you can't

even deny that when he said that in my

mind I'm like damn [ __ ] you just dissed

an entire you know

country

a population you know more than you can

count

just to get that cannabis and make me

feel like silly or stupid or whatever

yeah and you cost me a whole lot of

issues standing there with sergeant

major

what was that who the [ __ ] is Taliban

quality

I love you that's why you're a pro so

he's a rapper you couldn't really do

that with all sort of major but but tell

me like like he's a rapper he's a rapper

wrong answer

I looked at him with the most puppy dog

eyes ever man

some major I don't know what that is

I've been here training with y'all for a

year

[Laughter]

I don't want to know Taliban

I do not want to know him you would have

got smoke bro for that you would have

got smoked yeah because you trained with

these guys right and then if that

narrative slits into just the wrong

aloof mind

I think that I'm near to like you know

go create mute me or go left or I'm not

really there for the reasons I'm there

for which is to like yo I want to add on

to what you know the hearts and Minds

that's when we were trained right right

and so

I was so [ __ ] angry

about that a telephone quality I was so

angry and I just said him with hip-hop

in general because it's like that's how

they look at me man that's what they

would do for no [ __ ] reason it's like

was the line the you know I never had

nobody come to me and say the line was

hot I love Talib now we talking now but

at the time it's like what did you get

for that at least young Z

I love young Z let's give it up for

Young G

young Z came to me and Rod [ __ ] yo GK

to me and said one time we went to

Shaq's crib that young G straight up

just told me man it was like one of the

first things he said to me said yo you

know me you got the perfect on the same

day right I said no I didn't know that

say come on [ __ ] I love you say yo I

did Eminem I made 800 000 man for that

first check yeah it came out straight

out [ __ ] you know I made 800 yo you

can't see my crib with binoculars

I started laughing Young G told me that

he did the child you know I got 800 000

for that [ __ ] like yo those you know

what I mean yeah just because

he was being scared though just coming

straight to it like let's get out that

that out the way right

you know that's what I enjoy man I'm one

of those guys just talk to me right I

can handle it if you talk to me right if

you tell me the truth I could really

handle it so you know you know what the

beauty of today is

Holly squash that by the way right so

I'll let squash that he said to me yo

man I didn't know cannabis and we hugged

because he he said that if he didn't say

I didn't try to say what you said was

like yo you know he's a rapper like all

that type of [ __ ] if he would have said

that my dudes we were standing there it

was going down I had never been so angry

man because they knew about the story

right okay solo brought him in the room

he said hey [ __ ] look what I got man I

got that here

yeah

you hit me and I was so angry because

what happened behind that right but he

cleaned it up real fast and I was right

there with a mop in the floor with him

because I was mopping fools behind that

stupid [ __ ] right you know what I mean

but

here's the thing the beauty of today is

um

for you to address or for people to get

to know you had to go through

platforms of places

that

would be more interested in what they

could sell

than what you're actually saying

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um

you know what I mean so you it's hard

for people to get to back in the days I

felt like there was a real gap between

fans and artists because other than

their music you didn't know much about

it you know unless you knew somebody

that was in the neighborhood or grew up

with them or a family member or whatever

so you were left to the imagination or

the Publications that spoke on artists

and if they put something out there or

they make made something look a certain

way that's what it was because we didn't

have the connection to say yo is this

true

you know what I mean it's why I say

people say to people if you if you feel

a way about a story that's out about you

unchecked lie becomes the truth

sometimes you if it if it bothers you

you're not above it so you should

address

you feel me

so now when people watch this they'll be

like oh I I get it now yo

yo y'all made polo made the call

did I go back right

you responded man made it happen right

that's what our people need to do

so y'all are a shining example of what

needs to be done I couldn't have done

with the two you did

I couldn't have made it happen all by

myself

right but you dance with me about things

you didn't put me in no thin Eyes by

myself

but you made sure that

you were conscious of knowing like yo I

did [ __ ] with You Chris I listened to

your [ __ ] maybe like you you inspired me

to do not even knowing that I was a

spying all I was doing was present my

resume to the hip-hop World At Large

you know both in America overseas I'm

Jamaican I should be doing reggae music

rat dance but I just loved it rap right

I loved what rap was doing how the slang

how he was able to do things I just

wanted I chose rap yeah but I'm Jamaican

like Cali Rags do reggae rocker but he

switched it over to he could we could

dance right but rap man and

I was like a part of all of this what

rap turned into and to see y'all doing

what y'all do like I wasn't ready for

the Battle With Disaster

you know aside from the fact that my

shoulders ripped out the socket you know

but at the same time I wouldn't have

been ready anyway I could have been able

to dance a little bit better but I

wouldn't have done much better because

y'all that needed training training

coach what y'all do like you say yo this

is why I got it I tell any artist that's

gonna get into that yo sit with a battle

rap right for like a week two weeks I

start the school man that's what your

career needed early on too that's what I

keep hearing you know that's what it is

you needed somebody back in the day when

you first got started to really walk you

through what was about that [ __ ] where

were you at man when I knew

yeah

not far away I hear you hear your

interaction with L the right A and R on

your team would have told you look this

is what's about to happen don't take it

personal it's fine go in this room you

just want to we leave we'll take care

don't express nothing out there you know

I'm saying there's a lot of things that

you went through I hear a lot of

misunderstandings

through the circuit of your career a lot

of things that could have been easily

corrected with a couple of conversations

right

um a heavier hand on your on your house

making process no bro you need a hook no

I have to teach you how to make an album

for for the radio because your

competition lives there and he's going

to stomp you if you don't know how to

play Mecca you need to learn how to play

you know I respect you back up just

because of how I've been paying eye

contact with you and attention to you

you're 100 percent

I just don't want it to turn into

something where it's like cleft didn't

do the best that he could have with me

because of why I cut from the foods

Jerry won the fries you know what I mean

like you know John 14 at the time the

band I want to send a shout out to the

Whole Foods you spending about the key

band the other the instruments the

instrumentalists geniuses

clap was the only one that introduced me

to the world all this Talent you're

talking about that y'all be talking

about y'all be coming to beat me in the

[ __ ] head and I have whatever cleft

was the only one that said uh yo listen

I need you in the studio right now I was

in Justin's to open the grant opening of

justice for Jay-Z you know was there

right and he he said to be cannabis he

said canvas I turned around and I only

knew of him I knew of them from you know

souls and Mischief JJ got busy with it

man come on ain't no [ __ ] you know what

I mean like you know what I'm saying

maybe Reasonable Doubt like come on you

know who Jay-Z was right but the thing

is

I didn't know anything about him like

off duty Clark told me that because

Clark is worth clocking shout out the

clock yeah shout out to Clark and Peter

panic and Peter Panic triple OG he's got

to that status now yo Peter Panic he

said uh

he said uh Clark was like um Club was

like yo Jay-Z is going to be God

cannabis j-hope

you're gonna be Jehovah and he used to

say this to me I was younger I'm

thinking it had to do with Rhymes and

I'm thinking it had to do it yourself I

didn't understand business you know just

playing I had no idea you know an

intellect you know I mean it's reboot

Acuity I had no clue all right so Jay is

that opening the grand opening of

Justice he says this ribbon cutting this

is the grand opening but puff happy you

know

we all happy man he goes uh

I think like Donald Trump used to come

through man and like see drinks on me

and like dude he used to do stuff like

that for the like the rappers that was

out there getting it that's how we knew

like Trump and stuff we didn't see

things get political and get thrown out

the window and so like man we was just

we was coming up and coming through a

type of thing where the only color that

matter was green yeah that's all that we

were seeing right so anyway hoe was like

no canvas I turned around yeah he had on

all white I don't know if it's around

herself I can't remember

I can't tell the difference

yeah

yeah he had on uh yeah he had he had the

uh wine glass in his hand white wine

like

from Cannabis you ready for what this

game gonna do to you man

so me thinking it was just rapping and

Rhymes I said hell yeah I'm ready

looking at this [ __ ] man like like I

didn't know what he was talking about

what he meant at the moment that I said

you know hell yeah I'm ready

cleft

actually angles they just turned me

around clefty goes you know a little

dresses she said

cannabis he said yo where you been man

I've been looking for you man listen man

I need you in the studio right now man I

got this going to November record I need

you in the studio right now so me

knowing that y'all this is crap from the

foods he's like I bought Brandon on

reality but the fujis went somewhere

else so let me tell you they was like

the Beatles man or overseas man people

could say whatever they want but when I

was able to go from like the Indie right

Universal put me in some good Studios

but Sony started taking care of

everything and I started going to the

Hit Factory Chong King you know it was

neither quiet no better than any Factory

Sony yeah big rooms John King right the

big houses

getting on presidential class you know

what I'm saying version you know what

I'm saying all that stuff I think I

might have done the Concord I can't

remember right when I started doing

stuff like that

he introduced me to the world going to

November like video Single made it a

single let me rap put the chain around

my neck with the [ __ ] stones in it

you know what I'm trying to say like

people say what they want and there was

no funny business going on right like he

did that as a you know I'm saying

Caribbean you know what I mean like if I

don't it was a Caribbean connection

stuff like that he did that to basically

say look man they trying to cook you if

you don't know yo but but look he didn't

say that to me but it's like he felt

that in his arm like y'all ain't gonna

cook you man let me take your ass

overseas man and show you some stuff and

calm you down right and his process of

calming me down was records like let's

ride and what's going on and you know

what I mean the problem was

I didn't have somebody like you that

could have been like all right listen

y'all want

five second round Knockouts with just

different people yeah put that on the

album cleft was trying to get me to you

know what I mean

it sold 20 million albums Hoffa you know

what I'm saying at that time I

understand my label was doing anything

for I understand

for who you were

to the people who was going to stand

online outside of Virgin Mega at six in

the morning and get your album that

morning true

you know you know what I mean didn't

translate in that project

that's the only time I ever met Nas what

did Big say Big [ __ ] was here he we

asked him why he why he didn't work with

you he said she went on tour with the

Fugees and never came back yeah he said

yeah

he heard yeah he's like oh he want to

talk with the food

there's nothing wrong with it yeah like

I was 18 20. what I'm saying he was like

I meant Nas for the first time because

of with the Foodies and Knox told me

that when he heard the you know DMX you

know what I'm saying Nori candy up at

Flex he pulled over the car on the on

the turnpike

and listen to the junk and was like

he was like yo what you drinking

cannabis said grandma yay right because

that's what you know what I'm saying

that's what I had started with and um I

left that alone but yeah but uh snap he

said he said yeah right he said um

he said uh

he said I pulled over cannabis he said

you know I ordered that it came he was

like

he said you know Kansas man I got to I

had to turn around and go back to the

crib God

like what I was going to do in the

studio that night it wasn't gonna make

it man I went back to the creek no I

said that to you you didn't have to I'm

telling you what I experienced because

of Club when I came out of the room with

knobs little Lounge area stepped on it

Maxwell's cannabis

hey Maxwell

I'm like yo mama there's a lot of this

[ __ ] yeah when you believe me if I was

sitting in front of this guy right one

time I saw Haley Berry hold on it was

Eric Benet I came out the studio I

didn't I knew the name but I didn't know

who he was exactly right and um he was

like yo canvas man I really like your

music coming out of the Hit Factory he's

like I'm living like a music your

brother said he was talking and I see

the Haley coming down the behind him he

said while I was looking right behind

him feel the vision she was coming down

the sidewalk so I was just looking at

her yeah I didn't know they was together

because I'm trying to tell you how crazy

it was that Eric Benet was talking to me

I didn't know who he was really and

because I was hearing that all the time

I didn't care I saw Halle Berry

she's coming down

so she walks up behind him I don't know

she grabbed his booty or something and

she you know she holding on to him and

then I realized like oh she with him and

I just felt so stupid because then I was

like oh yo yeah we can work together

you know but it was that kind of stuff

was happening right clef was made or he

opened on the doors for me but I don't

yo I love cleft for that man Jerry I

love playing they opened me up yeah yeah

so so look even if things went sour cold

Sour Whatever I got those memories man

do you understand now the guy that you

know does the Thousand mixtapes and you

know gets the album that what I mean

look can I bust this Platinum it's not

gold no more right I think it's double

Platinum

double Platinum 25th year anniversary

nice cleft didn't do a bad job the way

that hip-hop went a little bit too hard

they never sat and thought for a second

everybody said what cannabis could have

been but wasn't none of them trying to

help accept clef

you see the ones that the producers

that's probably slamming this is not

[ __ ] that I thought I was trying to say

you scared too many people bro yeah

you scared too many people you scared

the [ __ ] out of [ __ ] you just heard

did you hear what Don's just but you

just said how many other rappers you

think felt like that when you came

around that was Major too help this

[ __ ] help me

he's a threat now help me

give me Halle Berry and leave me alone

it wasn't just the battle rap right I

was really interested in other things

right you know what I'm saying for young

men yeah yeah I was trying to I was

trying to navigate through all this and

then I had this monster on me did you

know that the institutions on me was

like and I yeah I jumped out the window

with that because that's because I was

trying to get Grandma cribs you know

what I'm saying I'm trying to hold my

brother and I'm assuming yo yo I'm gonna

do it man watch you know what I'm saying

all the dreams we had right you know

what I mean trying to prove to my father

that yo I can do this right you know

what I mean I remember my father he's

Jamaica I'm gonna say this shut up you

got in the car he's like yo so yeah man

what's up I'm coming this see up on MTV

man

I'm from your activity like it's a

process right you know what I'm saying

like I had I had a lot of other things

on my head right so when faced with any

opposition like how you've been through

it right

you go through that wall man you don't

have a choice yeah and I did it but I

didn't do it knowing the collateral

damage right I was I was young and I was

trying to go with the culture I was

doing it the best way I knew how and I

know there was wise Elders man that

could have I'ma say this shut up Biz God

Rest his soul rest in peace but if you

did a show okay solo Sean P was dead you

know I'm saying eventually like you know

would you help whatever podcast I was I

could give you the footage you had to

footage all in the in the session The

Green Room together Biz goes business

tells me the story about

as he's talking because we held him down

uh he was headlining the show Copenhagen

Joel Ortiz was there yeah Copenhagen so

um uh Biz Biz started having difficulty

halfway through his set you know we

jumped to the stage we started holding

him down right when he got to you got

what I needed man he didn't have to say

a word you know what I'm saying I know

we held him down yeah I'm talking about

instinctively because he was having

trouble not to say he can't do it but

just that night yeah it was on the nose

for him right we jumped on the stage we

had we already had our bikes like yo yo

yo my man go cool rock V and what you

know what I'm saying and we held him

down then it was over he was happy we

jumped to the rescue without a word made

of the show everybody then we got back

to the green when we sweating he's like

yo man yo he's happy you know what I'm

saying his was like being said uh he

said you can't miss it he jumped right

into it I was really just kind of

enjoying the moment Sean P was dead Okay

solo and he really jumped right to the

Cannabis man the Beats man

yo you just needed the producers yo he

jumped right into it I said this come on

man he said no I'm telling you I said

well [ __ ] where were you

because I got Biz to check for the um

Take This Job and Shove It John right

the check was like a heavy check 50

pounds that's not sneaker money right

you know what I'm saying I got Biz that

check you know what I'm saying and it's

like where were you when all that was

going on where were you right I didn't

go that way with it that was in the mind

I did ask him once like the Bears like

where were you

when I needed the Beats what you talking

about but there's nothing

you'll be he understood what I said

business was always Fair he looked at me

blings like this he said yo cannabis and

he started explaining something to me

about

you know what I'm saying like with him

and Cain and he wrote some John and and

he had to come out with it but then he

had to wait and sup with him and Kane it

was something that y'all would love to

know right but Biz had to he went

through a similar situation and told me

I had to push through it and everybody

was like this it was something serious

not serious come to blow serious but it

was something that damn I didn't know

biz

King wrote that forbids or I'm not gonna

say Biz Road for King cause Kane didn't

need nobody help right but it was

something with a beat or a Jack and a

hook and Biz had something he was

telling them right and um and it was

like if he would have listened to Biz he

would have been able to do that because

remember Biz was doing when we was in

Copenhagen doing I don't know Biz was

doing it but last time I saw Biz

business had like the Tesla Jones look

good he was he's fake he looked great I

was happy for him right I got out the

car with got out the Panama Johnny

business over there by the time he said

your cannabis sucks

rest in peace man I just want to say

like for a lot of the what the message

I'm getting from your journey

is and this is the message for like

young artists right that's coming in the

game is that number one is to not be

afraid to embrace your talent right

that's number one embrace your talent

um and Propel that [ __ ] to the furthest

extent past the Pinnacle purpose right

and don't and don't don't ever inhibit

yourself from what you can really do

also understanding who your influences

are right when you whoever your

influences are and you meet them

right understand that there's always an

agenda going on right always understand

that somebody who's in the Ivory Tower

and you're where you're at and you're

trying to get to the Ivory Tower there's

always a gen an agenda between those two

points of Steel you're 100 right right

so now so now what happens is like you

said with that first meet of you and LL

Cool J in that handshake and everything

this is my personal opinion

there's a threat coming

it's just like the Army is just like

whoa there's a threat approaching boom

we can see it coming up on the beach you

see it two miles out two kilometers out

is a threat coming how are we going to

combat that

right not saying anything against LL I

love LL he's a legend but this is the

thought process with these institutions

we have to protect we have to protect on

that it's a business it's a business you

know I'm saying so for all the Young

Artists out there understand who you're

dealing with keep on like working on

your crap only never forget that at the

end of the day it is a business somebody

keeps the lights on at their

institutions that you might be trying

yeah not not on top of that

I think um

I think I just think a lot of people

wanted to see you fail

um

and and there's nothing

there's something wrong with a person

wanting

someone else to fail they didn't do you

don't know but it's like you don't know

right it's like it's like stepping on

the court with uh with Jordan

you know what I mean Ron artez

accidentally snapped a couple of

George's ribs I mean do you know what

that happened no it happened you know no

I know

the ball players no right he

accidentally snapped a couple of his

rigs on a like a uh like a scrimmage

right and you know everybody was there

was Matt because I did a like an album

was wrong Ron's meta World Peace

shout out the meadow world please shout

out to Jordan right

it was an accident he got excited then

he snapped a couple of his Meadow World

Peace was like Dennis Rodman he was

solid like like one of them freight

train type guys where he don't really

know his strength all the time right

accidentally injured him stacked a

couple ribs

the hate that came his way after that it

was just like me with second round

knockout and y'all didn't even know that

but that's what happened so I don't know

everything about Metta World Peace and

with stats or whatever like my brother

knows the Game Craze he could tell you

all the stats everybody's stats but I

can tell you this after that

play the tape Meadow World Peace World

kind of changed whenever y'all saw his

stuff changing a little bit because he

was still that guy he was after that

little scrimmage that accident right

that's what happened man well sometimes

he he just he can't say that because you

know

that's how you see yourself and then

it's how people see you and as much as

everybody wants to be real

you have to pay attention to how other

people see

because then you'll understand

motives and and the way certain people

move you'll get it you know what I mean

like I used to wonder why the [ __ ] every

time I go out and I meet [ __ ] they

want to tell me all their War Stories

why these things

over here

I started to realize oh

these [ __ ] see me as Dad so they wanna

they wanna impress me receptionally you

know what I mean that's why they keep

talking about Halle Berry man don't talk

to me

talk to me about that kind of stuff man

because the rap stuff I've done enough

of it been around enough of it I really

could just add on to somebody with rap

dealing with rap that's all I could do I

never got to the situation where I had

like why cleft power or mobile power

where I could like sign an artist and

put them on you know I helped a lot of

artists get on feature on records my new

record man I got Master Nisa you know

Cali's already established but you know

Marco Polo like we doing things to where

you will I know we're gonna do jumps

together but you know got to joined with

names like we I'm doing things that are

working with artists it's not my stuff

it's just I'm doing that all the time

but when the [ __ ] see me just don't

talk to me about that like that's all I

care about because you got to be crazy

man like I'm a captain I'm a captain I'm

not talking to you I'm really talking to

them I'm a captain you know I mean I you

know what I mean a captain a 50-foot

yacht you know what I'm saying I have

certifications for you know what I'm

saying he's the ventilation and AC you

know I'm saying I could drive strike his

live 25s you know what I mean I get busy

with five tons as well you know what I

mean like I'm like two weeks to get my

CDL like there's so many things I can do

would you want somebody to run up on you

while you're out there about that no now

though this is now I'd Rather somebody

talk to me as a as a human that has

skill sets that's trying to be human you

know talk to music sorry

I'm sorry you signed up for the wrong

[ __ ] yeah

all the way through Bruce Lee's Hedges

to talk to him about bonsai trees

this was your metaphor from earlier on

people used to going to Bruce Lee's

house and tell them nobody's going into

your house to talk to you about my man

hands you know shout out to Coney Island

went out of state

you're tempted living a normal life

from the stuff that we did in battle rap

I would tell them all the time

are you trying to be

you trying to be Douglas

you got a million people know you as

Brooklyn hands um

okay all right

it is what it is bro you accept that it

comes with it you

you're the one that's going to start

this school and give them that time-out

safe space man somebody's got to do it

you're most equipped to do it start the

school get these people that that

intermediary

you know that intermediate they call it

like a it's intermediary you give them

that place to be to learn these things

what you telling me man look I'm already

kind of like past the gamut like like I

told you man look

Moon Cruise outside like Rakim loves the

moon cruises right Moon Cruise outside

right I'm saying I got my keys on me now

you know that's coop in the airport

garage when I go back right 50 foot

yacht in the marina right I'm the

captain you understand I'm trying to say

like I'm already past all that when I'm

doing it for a reason that's superficial

not doing it to try to get on no

sometimes a lot of people think because

of what happened to me in my career that

yo man I missed out on something

I had it all not what these the mega

mobiles got but who who else has had

with the mega movies gotta set the mega

mobiles Right double OG situations over

here trying to get the triple OG the

school school will get us there school

will get it we're talking about school

that'll get us there talk about it what

all right

professor

what what can we expect in the future

Mickey facts started the school yeah

shout out and uh Mickey Mickey did a

joint where he had a course he had the

course of his hip-hop course your name

came up in the course you also got one

assignment that he gave out and asked

the question about you know default

Master Flex with X and cannabis and Nori

and he just asked about X and candidates

he said yo okay I need y'all to describe

the difference between

imagination and realism and realist

imagination and then they went to it and

he showed me footage of and I couldn't

believe my eyes man people you know what

I mean really go to this course to take

it on the sensitive he was like yo man

cannabis talking about [ __ ] that ain't

even real you know what I'm saying this

[ __ ] talking about he hit you make your

shoulders touch and that [ __ ] ain't real

mad DMX he always coming with that yo

don't want you no get up 10 [ __ ] on

them oh god with him like yeah the other

guys like you know man cannabis crimes

it's just so ill man all he can do is

just make up stuff to try to tell you

how ill he is

it made me so happy you know like in my

mind like I can't believe somebody doing

this I love Mickey facts for that yes

and not not being not being to you about

rap that's why they talk to you about

well but look not be in vain

only was trying to put my resume and say

can I rap with y'all that's all it ever

was I just wanted to get off the benches

and play with the with the dudes that I

liked red man and you know what he did

he let me wrap my 50 bars now that the

fans will never forgive me if I don't

ask you about that cycle as well

eggs

wow big pun Mike Geronimo at the table

wow and Jimmy's bronze careful yeah

yeah

what do you want to know if I can

remember everything I can't remember

again because I was really in this much

I know about it I had the Cartier's on

with no frame

so it was just the junk and then holding

on to the lens I don't know them people

were like twenty five hundred dollars

man I just bought them how did you how

did you get it look it wasn't a problem

either I had to chain on I was chilling

how did you get it

how did that happen you heard about the

cipher you just pulled up like I think a

guy called Toray who ended up doing a

lot of things had set that up because we

knew he was all there for Taurus my good

twin brother Victoria you know

where the royalties off

I'm so trying to find out where the

royalties are for that [ __ ] round

definitely a different tour

that's like a Tory set it up he said all

I know is when he was getting was like

what's it for like Torres he's the guy

he's on CNN and all that all the time

all I knew was we was there for Tory bro

that picture and then Rhymes just

started breaking out who who rap first

who said it everything was Satori Tori

was handling the whole thing he was his

camera it was it was we was there for

him he bought the the he was sitting at

the table with food coming when he went

to eat two guys did you guys have

conversations Toray had us all sit there

and spill our guts man food was coming

drinks he did he was the drink Champs 95

what was that 96 97 he did the drink

Champs 97. drinks coming the herb was

going you know what I mean like you know

what I mean all we wanted to do was rap

now if I said anything cocky listen man

the second round knockout verse that I

know I rhymed there I kind of wanted to

just rap and get out of there I wanted

to go see something that looked like

Halle Berry you know what I'm saying I

didn't want to be there I didn't want to

be there so so what happened no no just

something like that yeah right so so so

so I'm trying to make it understandable

right so so but what happened was

I only said that because I said that

rhyme because it was easy for me to

remember I had so many I was recording

and and pun was nasty and so was X and I

wasn't trying to go through no [ __ ]

Funk Master Flex 145 minute rap so I

just wanted to do something definitive

and get it over with

I I did that wrong at the at the House

of Blues and Shaq almost fell over the

second floor when it when it when it

happened Rock Kim was performing that

night and when I did second round

knockout on stage of the house it was a

rocket launcher basically you come in a

room [ __ ] just fronting this [ __ ] the

second round knockout was like yo clear

I cleared a room out with that right so

at House of House of Blues Rakim was

supposed to perform he did perform but

you know when I when I did that and the

crowd went so crazy anybody who's there

tell you tackle Shaq almost fell over

the second floor junk because he was he

was into it and he's so big and so tall

yeah did he lean and his mans you know

had to grab him but put them back that

really happened and shout out to

Shaquille O'Neal right right one of the

Mogul guys he wanted the triple ogs all

right so Shaq so

did what I did was or what happened was

so crazy yo man it was like a haunted

like a an hour and a half intermission

before I came to us the stage man

he didn't go on like five minutes after

what I did it was so much energy

in the House of Blues it was an hour and

a half and I love rocking right and I'm

telling you at that age I wasn't even

able to take that in I can only say that

to you now because it really did happen

you know what I'm saying

let's just keep it all the way up bro

Tim didn't touch the stage for an hour

not because of me but because the people

left man [ __ ] wanted to get you the

[ __ ] out of here

[ __ ] wanna get get this [ __ ] the [ __ ]

out of here man this chick is killing

everything dude what we gonna do about

this [ __ ] [ __ ]

yo yo we need somebody to just get this

[ __ ] out of here

y'all remember you saying on the radio

nah I don't go nowhere dog come back

with me

he's just trying to just ease their way

out the sight for life where did that

happen

um who was you talking what was it it

was either Nori or or X you said is one

of the dope

[ __ ] is my favorite if I ever get my

hands on that instrumental okay yeah I'm

going to Yellow Tape it there it is I'm

going to Yellow there it is there it is

yeah it is yes it is

that [ __ ] that got you in trouble your

career no I love the chat I understand I

understand I understand but that those

words from you if I ever see that [ __ ]

I'm a yellow tape that's like a [ __ ]

coming home from prison talking about

you if I ever catch that yeah that [ __ ]

is scary yeah you know I love nobody

know me saying it because she ain't

nothing right no no no no no no no no no

nobody said nobody it's just

we all

see what I'm saying cannabis you don't

see how other people see you you like a

friendly Grizzly like who expects the

grizzly not if a Grizzly is running up

on you like oh [ __ ] I'm gonna die

meanwhile he just wants to come up in

life

[Applause]

what you guys doing over here

so what did I do what did I do to dance

in the battle after it was all over

whatever

I'm just saying I know it was this

moment you know it was about a record

yeah that was his moment right I didn't

try to step on on it did I I gave it up

I literally was trying to like all right

man passing the torch in a way if it

meant anything yeah I don't remember

nobody's questioning

I am a teddy bear yeah nobody's no yeah

but you present like a Grizzly what do

you want me to do but but this is what

I'm telling you you gotta be able to

pick up on how other people see that's

what we want you I'm going to go to your

school when you build it okay I'll let

you know I just wanted to say this at

the beginning

like the one of the best battle rappers

in the world told you he was influenced

to come in to the place and stand

outside the battle

Eminem from my experience because you

know we are the same age so I grew up

listening hard Eminem looked up to you

you know what I'm saying and I heard you

say um

things about like I think M was coming

from a point of trying to make you rap

again and come out and get you back in

that light I don't think it was like

malicious malicious I think he looks up

to you and

LL Cool J so are you coming so

LL is you know people are arguing you

know but the best rapper you know the

best rapper that's ever been Eminem has

is arguably the you know another best

rapper that has ever been he one of the

best battle rappers that I've ever been

in all three of these people like the

greatest rappers

so are you as something that they needed

to be aware

that alone speaks of your greatness

it's just for the acknowledgment like yo

I'm a warrior

I look at you as a master Warrior

acknowledge

you know I mean Here Eminem

worms behind you I mean if you know

hip-hop you listen to Hip Hop

lies in it he listening to a lot of

cannabis right you you and M collabing

early in the game would have been

[ __ ] thing like [ __ ] yeah but I'm

still there you know what I'm saying

it's still here Eminem

allowed to you could be a phone call

tonight your career is we our career is

going to go as long as our life goes

yeah because we're in the space now

where you can just do what you want yeah

it's not over we gotta think about radio

records we got to think about unless

that's the packages

none of that [ __ ] just be an artist just

be the artist I would just want to hear

it

you got men my age is age that followed

you that we have kids you know what I'm

saying so if you influence me right now

with a new album

what you think you just did to my future

hold on baby

what you said it was real too Amy Chan

she's talking about with that okay I'm

putting that out there listen smack the

hell he helped me out with you all right

sorry man

yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah

um

Mecca bigger right KO you see I'm trying

right

the level

every now and then there's a there's a

unique talent that raises the bar

we saw it with Rocky

um

we saw it with knives

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saw it continue on with big

hole

cannabis is in that list

cannabis is in that list believe it or

not whether you admitted enough

you're in that list freestyles

how hard [ __ ] going with them

shits you definitely inspired a lot of

people

now I've said it himself the [ __ ] out

vote that night wasn't gonna make it I

had to go back you raised the bar

you feel me

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um

and I thank you for your contribution

absolutely absolutely

foreign

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